1. Sign-up to become a member, and most of the ads you see will disappear. It only takes 30 seconds to sign up, so join the discussion today!
    Dismiss Notice

The Walking Dead - Season 9

Discussion in 'TV Shows' started by Adam Lenhardt, Jul 5, 2018.

Tags:
  1. johnnybear

    johnnybear Agent

    Joined:
    May 19, 2017
    Messages:
    33
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    10
    Real Name:
    John Harley
    How far do you take a destroyed world overrun by living dead corpses before it gets boring? They've run out of ideas and are doing everything they can to keep the interest, even if that means killing off the main characters of the show! No way it's going to last another ten years!
    JB
     
  2. Hollywoodaholic

    Hollywoodaholic Edge of Glory?

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2007
    Messages:
    2,657
    Likes Received:
    1,579
    Trophy Points:
    4,110
    Location:
    Somewhere in Florida
    Real Name:
    Wayne
    Surprised to find myself, after finally viewing this premiere, kind of digging the new direction. Mainly because it's almost like a western now (even the music had a touch of Morricone), but mainly because it was zombie light. There is no suspense or interest in brainless walking props anymore. The zeitgeist of the zombie era, for whatever reason that was, is past. So let's just tell an interesting story about three competing societies struggling to rebuild a new world with all the human conflicts and challenges that entails. And it's nice to see full color again (FTWD diss).
     
    Adam Lenhardt and TravisR like this.
  3. Adam Lenhardt

    Adam Lenhardt Director

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2001
    Messages:
    20,268
    Likes Received:
    4,955
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Location:
    Albany, NY
    I'm enjoying the tentative first steps back toward civilization, and the conflicts inherent within them.

    Having Enid apprentice with Siddiq was a very smart move. We're up to around half a dozen communities now, and trained doctors are a finite supply. It isn't possible to produce a crop of doctors with the education and training that medical school followed by a residency would have provided before society collapsed. But training several people to at least the competency of a combat medic, along with the other pragmatic skillsets required from this new world, would seem like a strategic imperative. He should probably have a handful of Enids following him around and learning from him.

    It also gives Enid as a character a role to play in this new society, while leveraging the fact that she has much deeper relationships with the other characters than Siddiq does.

    Maggie's larger point is spot on: some people are redeemable, and some people are not. The blacksmith was redeemable. Gregory was not. There a strong argument to be made for humane treatment of even irredeemable monsters. But I don't think any of the communities have reached a point of stability and security sufficient enough to indulge those arguments.
     
    TravisR and Greg.K like this.
  4. Message #44 of 60 Oct 15, 2018
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2018
    Greg.K

    Greg.K Screenwriter

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 1998
    Messages:
    1,678
    Likes Received:
    504
    Trophy Points:
    1,610
    Location:
    NY
    Real Name:
    Greg K.
    Which is why Rick's sparing of Negan is really ludicrous.
     
  5. Patrick Sun

    Patrick Sun Studio Mogul

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    39,035
    Likes Received:
    651
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    The TV-sadist in me is probably sticking with the show until Rick's arc is done. I just don't care that much for the rest of the cast of characters anymore.
     
  6. Hollywoodaholic

    Hollywoodaholic Edge of Glory?

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2007
    Messages:
    2,657
    Likes Received:
    1,579
    Trophy Points:
    4,110
    Location:
    Somewhere in Florida
    Real Name:
    Wayne
    Right. If anyone should have been hung in public it was Negan.

    But I must say I am enjoying this relatively zombie-free civilization rebuilding arc for the show.
     
  7. MarkMel

    MarkMel Screenwriter

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2003
    Messages:
    1,946
    Likes Received:
    157
    Trophy Points:
    1,610
    This episode was better than the season premier. I am always interested in how they were going to rebuild their world.
     
    Tommy R likes this.
  8. johnnybear

    johnnybear Agent

    Joined:
    May 19, 2017
    Messages:
    33
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    10
    Real Name:
    John Harley
    If they were to hang Negan then they'd better prepare his shitting pants!
    JB
     
  9. ScottH

    ScottH Producer

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2001
    Messages:
    3,270
    Likes Received:
    145
    Trophy Points:
    4,110
    Real Name:
    Scott Hanson
    But Rick isn't any more interesting than the others either. Negan is the only interesting character left. I'm hoping he takes over for Rick when he's gone.
     
  10. TravisR

    TravisR Studio Mogul

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2004
    Messages:
    32,481
    Likes Received:
    9,313
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Location:
    The basement of the FBI building
    I thought I was going to barf when I saw Aaron's busted arm. :)
     
  11. Message #51 of 60 Oct 16, 2018 at 1:09 PM
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2018 at 8:06 AM
    Patrick Sun

    Patrick Sun Studio Mogul

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    39,035
    Likes Received:
    651
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    I am pretty tired of Negan as well.
     
  12. Adam Lenhardt

    Adam Lenhardt Director

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2001
    Messages:
    20,268
    Likes Received:
    4,955
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Location:
    Albany, NY
  13. Hollywoodaholic

    Hollywoodaholic Edge of Glory?

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2007
    Messages:
    2,657
    Likes Received:
    1,579
    Trophy Points:
    4,110
    Location:
    Somewhere in Florida
    Real Name:
    Wayne
    That's some low ass ratings. And this is before Rick Grimes leaves even.

    But I must be a contrarian, because I actually like where the show is going for once in about three years. And I doubt AMC will give up on it anytime soon; they'll just cut the budget as necessary, and try to goose it along.
     
  14. johnnybear

    johnnybear Agent

    Joined:
    May 19, 2017
    Messages:
    33
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    10
    Real Name:
    John Harley
    Cut the cash for the zombie make-up!!!! Then we'll start seeing the dead who don't look too hard at the camera so we don't see the cheap effects up close!
    JB
     
  15. TravisR

    TravisR Studio Mogul

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2004
    Messages:
    32,481
    Likes Received:
    9,313
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Location:
    The basement of the FBI building
    Yeah, I'd be surprised if there aren't less episodes next year and they'll use the "This will allow us to tighten and focus the story" excuse.
     
  16. Tommy R

    Tommy R Supporting Actor

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2011
    Messages:
    577
    Likes Received:
    326
    Trophy Points:
    610
    Real Name:
    Tommy
    Yeah, I liked this second episode a lot better than the first. Interestingly, I think the last 4 season premiers have been extremely not good and represent the worst of each season.

    I see potential in this direction they are going, so I'll keep watching for now.
     
  17. TJPC

    TJPC Cinematographer

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2016
    Messages:
    2,155
    Likes Received:
    1,869
    Trophy Points:
    1,610
    Location:
    Hamilton Ontario
    Real Name:
    Terry Carroll
    I want one summing up 2 hour episode and a big THE END!

    I actually found “Fear The Walking Dead” better this last season! :eek:
     
  18. johnnybear

    johnnybear Agent

    Joined:
    May 19, 2017
    Messages:
    33
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    10
    Real Name:
    John Harley
    Hopefully Rick doesn't die and then they can bring him back for the finale! Hell, it's gotta come, you can't keep the interest in the show the way they're going!
    JB
     
  19. Adam Lenhardt

    Adam Lenhardt Director

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2001
    Messages:
    20,268
    Likes Received:
    4,955
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Location:
    Albany, NY
    Now that the fundamentals for civilization are in place, the tension comes from whether the survivors, with all of their traumas, will be able to act civilized.

    The course that Maggie is embarking upon feels satisfying in the moment, but will ultimately lead to ruination for herself and for Hershel Jr. She certainly had her reasons for killing Gregory, and the young women from Oceanside had their reasons for doing what they did, too. Executing an 11-year-old boy in cold blood is a true atrocity.

    Maggie comforts herself with these facts. But a civilized society has no room for extralegal punishment. And this is a time and a place where nobody has clean hands. All of our main characters have killed, sometimes for no other reason than to save their own skin. If everybody is empowered to seek vengeance against everybody, then the bonds necessary to make a society work are torn apart.

    Negan, Gregory, and the Saviors who committed true atrocities deserve to die. But it can't be on anybody's whim, because the killings won't stop with the people who most deserve it. There needs to be agreement about what is acceptable, and what is not, and what the procedures are for adjudicating violations. In the absence of that, it's just mob rule. And mobs can be fickle.

    I would say the odds are very good that Maggie's attempt to kill Negan instead gets herself killed.
     
  20. johnnybear

    johnnybear Agent

    Joined:
    May 19, 2017
    Messages:
    33
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    10
    Real Name:
    John Harley
    Tis the season that will make or break the franchise! They must be mad saying the show can continue for another decade or more with their star about to leave the show!!!
    JB
     

Share This Page